S01E05: Emerging Professionals

We tackle life as an emerging conservation professional (ECP): Jenny and Kloe talk to guest host Marie Jordan about their collective experiences as new conservators and share a few of our listeners’ stories. We talk about the struggles of both British and American ECPs and the importance of making a fuss. Christina interviews Jonathan Ashley-Smith about conservation training, craft skills (the other c word!), and why it’s important to play nice as an ECP.

00:00:25 News in brief
00:04:22 We’re on Patreon!
00:04:47 Marie, Kloe, and Jenny talk about being emerging professionals
00:06:03 What is an emerging conservation professional, anyway?
00:08:57 Who has had the worst job rejection?
00:13:15 Silent employers are the worst
00:15:40 Listener stories: travelling far and wide, the phenomenon of Skype interviews, short contracts, and working away from spouses
00:28:18 Resume gaps, volunteering, and how to deal with unemployment
00:39:10 Working away from partners and families
00:40:52 Listener stories: worst distance-to-contract-length ratio
00:41:41 Impossibly expensive cities to work in: London and San Fransisco
00:46:30 The need for empathy from employers
00:47:50 Status quo, diversity, and why you should be angry
00:53:21 Listener stories: inexperience, commuting times, and job security
00:56:17 Vital skills you need to get hired
00:58:52 Comments, suggestions, questions, corrections
00:59:20 Interview with Jonathan Ashley-Smith
01:17:33 Research and the possibly disillusioned graduate
01:19:32 Craft skills and extracurricular CV material
01:23:55 Resources for ECPs

Show Notes:

– IIC 2017 Student & Emerging Conservator Conference in Bern – save the date: https://www.iiconservation.org/node/6935
– Museums Day 2017: https://www.museumsassociation.org/news/07032017-advocate-for-your-museum-on-museums-day
– Oddy Testing and Off-Gassing Analysis Opportunity: Contribute your list of frequently-used materials! https://www.mail-archive.com/consdistlist@cool.conservation-us.org/msg00597.html
– New emerging professionals group established in Australia: https://www.facebook.com/AICCM/posts/1302744763128633
– Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thecword
– Marie’s homies at the American Swedish Historical Museum: http://www.americanswedish.org/
– MuseumPros on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MuseumPros/

Resources:

– Emerging Museum Professionals: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nempn
– Emerging Conservation Professionals Network: https://www.facebook.com/groups/419707523031
– Student Conservators @ Melbourne: http://www.studentconservators.com/
– Fistful of Cinctans blog entry on applying for museum jobs: https://fistfulofcinctans.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/museum-careers-advice-how-to-apply-for-jobs/
– Leicester Museums Jobs Desk: http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/museumstudies/JobsDesk
– ICON Jobs: https://icon.org.uk/jobs
– Museum Jobs: http://www.museumjobs.com/
– National Museum Jobs: http://www.nationalmuseums.org.uk/jobs/
– Conservation List List archive: http://cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/
– NEW! Emerging Conservators Australia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/emergingconservatorsaustralia/

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Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik. Special guest host: Marie Jordan.

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S01E04: Glove Up!

We have a chat about gloves: their uses, problems, and varieties. Also is there such a thing as clean hands? Tune in for an interview with Dr Cordelia Rogerson and Dr Paul Garside from the British Library who tell us about their glove policies.

00:23 Gloves, gloves, gloves – and when people refuse to wear them
03:56 The health and safety aspect
05:46 Lifting the glove rule (ish)
07:21 The White Cotton Glove Problem
15:27 Not wearing gloves
16:15 Cross-contamination worries
22:49 Disposable gloves and recycling
24:31 Colours!
26:09 Chemical resistance in nitrile gloves
28:30 Hand cleanliness – or lack thereof
33:02 Subconscious bias?
35:34 Interview with Dr Cordelia Rogerson and Dr Paul Garside about glove policies
47:47 Review: Jenny and Kloe talk about their favourite nitrile gloves
52:22 Comments, corrections and questions

Show Notes:

– Arsenic in rice: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38910848
– Nitrile glove recycling scheme: https://www.terracycle.co.uk/en-UK/brigades/gloves
– Terry Kent’s research for the British Library: http://blogs.bl.uk/collectioncare/2016/09/fingerprints-their-potential-impact-in-relation-to-handling-library-collections.html

Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik.

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S01E03: Visible Storage

We talk about visible storage: the hype, the pros and the cons, and whether we can or should show off our tattered storage boxes. Kloe also reviews and compared the apps Articheck and Evernote for condition reporting.

00:24 News in brief
06:10 Definition of visible storage
08:50 Good examples we know of
12:03 Conservation perspectives – plus what if our stores are rubbish?
23:58 Not all objects are pretty
27:10 Can’t we just put it online instead?
32:30 More good examples
35:00 Conservators on display
39:30 Yet more examples
42:45 Changing trends – is visible storage in fact going away?
44:41 Review: Articheck and Evernote

Show Notes:

– Museums Journal: ’NTS Unveils Conservation Plan’ https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news-analysis/01032017-nts-unveils-conservation-plan (members only)
– Electricity: Spark of Life: https://wellcomecollection.org/electricity
– Robots exhibition: https://beta.sciencemuseum.org.uk/robots/
– Museums Journal: ‘Museums Hope for Change from Accreditation Review’ https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news-analysis/01032017-museums-hope-for-change-from-accreditation-review (members only)
– Wikipedia on visible storage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_storage
– ‘Turning Museums Inside-Out with Beautiful Visible Storage’ by Cameron Maynard: http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/turning-museums-inside-out-with-beautiful-visible-storage
– ‘These New York Museums Let Visitors Go behind the Scenes to Explore Their Brimming Storage Facilities’ by Karen Kedmey: https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-new-york-museums-open-their-storage-to-the-public-putting-their-vast-collections-on-display
– Conservation Dist List archive: http://cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/2016/0096.html & http://www.cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/2016/0126.html & http://cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/2016/0164.html
– British Library’s Adopt-a-Book scheme: http://support.bl.uk/Page/Adopt-a-book/
– Museum Hack ‘Museum Pinterest Pros: 7 Institutions That May Pinspire You’ https://museumhack.com/museum-pinterest-pros/
– Collections Conversations on Visible Storage: https://collectionsconversations.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/visible-storage/
– Articheck: http://www.articheck.co.uk/
– Evernote: https://evernote.com/

Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik.

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S01E02: Human Remains

We talk about human remains: how we might approach them as conservators, philosophical topics like consent and time, and examples from all over the world. Listen to an interview with conservator Barbara Wills sharing her experiences. We even review a topical book!

00:25 News in brief
01:35 Our experiences of working with the dead
03:18 Radio Newcastle snippet interviewing conservators Christina and Diana about mummies
05:00 Reactions to different types of human remains from the public – and from us!
08:10 Storage examples, the story of Bob, and Jeremy Bentham
12:12 Recent vs. ancient human remains
15:15 Consent, ethics, and privacy
21:58 Should we conserve human bodies?
24:20 Interview: Barbara Wills chats about her experiences with mummies
35:40 Contemplations, anxieties, and coping strategies as conservators
41:04 What really counts as human remains?
45:25 Context is everything: what about how they died and how long ago?
49:20 Licensing
53:00 Funerary objects
55:20 Review: The Conservation of Hair (book)

Show Notes:

– Heritage Science Group Photo Competition: http://icon.org.uk/news/icon-heritage-science-group-photo-competition-launched
– National Army Museum: “Watch the conservation of Major ‘Bronco’ Lane’s frostbitten toes” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntBE9gAhDD0
– Jeremy Bentham: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
– Preservation of Lenin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin’s_Mausoleum
– ‘The Sleeping Beauty’ Rosalia Lombardo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_Lombardo
– Body Worlds by Gunther von Hagens: http://www.bodyworlds.com/en.html
– Ötzi the Iceman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi
– Further reading for people interested in Barbara’s work: http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/publications/research_publications_series/2015/regarding_the_dead.aspx
– Human Remains in Museums (Museums Association): https://www.museumsassociation.org/campaigns/8125
– Human Tissue Authority: https://www.hta.gov.uk/
– The Conservation of Hair: https://www.archetype.co.uk/publication-details.php?id=227

Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik

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S01E01: Demographics

We discuss who we are as conservators: the demographics, the diversity (or lack thereof), and what a typical conservator is like. Who are we, why are we, and can we change it?

00:50 News in brief
01:26 Who are we? What does a typical conservator look like?
04:55 Stereotypes of conservators
10:05 Education and qualifications
14:14 Age range in conservators – and previous careers!
17:48 Disabilities amongst conservators
26:56 Ethnicity and class
36:20 Is there a white middle class way of conserving objects?
41:23 Summary
42:08 Men in conservation (and why we love them)
44:30 Review: Toggl app
47:06 Comments, questions, corrections

Show Notes:

– Propose a session for Museums Association’s 2017 Conference: http://www.museumsassociation.org/news/24012017-propose-a-session-for-manchester-2017
– Conservation Labour Market Intelligence Survey: http://icon.org.uk/system/files/documents/conservation_labour_market_intelligence_2012-13_0.pdf
– Toggl timekeeping app: http://www.toggl.com

Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, and Christina Rozeik.

Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license.

Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

A Wooden Dice production, 2017.