S07E06: Let There Be Light

We squint at the topic of light in this illuminating episode: guest host Sarah Potter enlightens us while Jenny thinks about communication and Kloe reveals she has super eye sight. Christina interviews David Saunders and Jenny reviews his new book about museum lighting. Also tune in for a Dear Jane about dissertations, and a Fluorescent Bulb at the Benchwork Bar!

00:03:00 How we light our galleries
00:15:40 Light monitoring routines
00:20:13 Light levels and material types
00:21:41 Communicating about low light levels
00:28:13 Lights inside cases are basically the devil
00:31:54 Interview with David Saunders
00:59:37 Smart glass?!
01:01:40 Review: ‘Museum Lighting – A Guide for Conservators and Curators’
01:05:45 Dear Jane
01:10:50 Benchwork Bar: Fluorescent Bulb
01:13:53 Patreon shout out

Show Notes:
– Contemporary Art episode: https://thecword.show/2019/04/17/s05e03-contemporary-art/
– Connecting to Collection Care webinar ’How to Change a Lightbulb: LED Lighting for Museums’: https://www.connectingtocollections.org/how-to-change-a-lightbulb/
– Example of the handheld monitor we talk about: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Instruments/UV-Light-Monitors/UV-Light-Monitor
– ‘Spread or Sacrifice: Dilemma for Lighting Policies’ by Agnes Brokerhof, Pieter Kuiper & Steph Scholten: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00393630.2018.1504439
– Hampton Court Palace and Smart Tint: https://shop.smarttint.com/Hampton-Court-Palace-Smart-Tint-Inc_b_1058.html
– Museum Lighting – A Guide for Conservators and Curators: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Museum-Lighting-Guide-Conservators-Curators/dp/1606066374 or https://shop.getty.edu/products/museum-lighting-a-guide-for-conservators-and-curators-978-1606066379
– Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

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S07E05: Mind the Gap

We get philosophical about gap filling and loss compensation in various conservation disciplines: why do we do it and how far do we take it? Kloe interviews Ellie Sweetnam about disruptive conservation and boldly coloured fills, and Jenny reviews ’Pottery and Porcelain Restoration’ by Roger Hawkins. Also join us for a tipple at the Benchwork Bar, and an emotional Dear Jane with a guest contribution from Nerys Rudder.

00:01:14 So is it gap filling or loss compensation, guys?
00:11:34 Does emotion come into play?
00:15:20 Interview with Ellie Sweetnam
00:28:19 Visibility and ethics
00:34:58 Techniques and materials
00:39:51 Damage as something good
00:45:48 Can we enjoy repairs?
00:49:08 Review: ‘Pottery and Porcelain Restoration – A Practical Guide’
00:54:05 Dear Jane
01:05:31 Comments, questions, and corrections
01:06:03 Benchwork Bar: Pulp Fill

Show Notes:
– ’Are Attic Vases Archaeological?’ by Rozeik, Dawson and Wrapson: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/sic.2010.55.Supplement-2.24
– ‘Thinking outside the box: the re-conservation of a ceramic Clazomenian sarcophagus in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge’ by Christina Rozeik: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19455224.2011.557000
– Crap Taxidermy: https://crappytaxidermy.com/
– Kintsugi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kintsugi
– Museums Are Not Neutral: https://artstuffmatters.wordpress.com/museums-are-not-neutral/
– Painting of The Bronte Sisters: https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw00797/The-Bront-Sisters-Anne-Bront-Emily-Bront-Charlotte-Bront
– Visible mending: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashiko
– Pottery and Porcelain Restoration – A Practical Guide: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pottery-Porcelain-Restoration-Practical-Guide/dp/1785006754/
– Full statement by Nerys Rudder: https://thecword.show/podcast/Your_Memories_are_Short_and_You_Havent_Been_Listening%20.pdf
– Being Black in the Arts and Heritage Sector by Ashleigh Brown: https://icon.org.uk/news/being-black-in-the-arts-and-heritage-sector-paper-conservator-ashleigh-brown-offers-a
– Thread from Museum Detox: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1268230499098603521.html
– Michelle Silverthorn: https://twitter.com/inwithmichelle
– Black Lives Matter: https://blacklivesmatter.com/
– Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

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S07E04: Working with Techs

We’re joined by special guest host Erika Lewis as we talk about the role of technicians, and how conservators and techs work hand in hand (or glove in glove). How do we best work together and what might that look like in different situations? Also tune in for an Exhibit Opener with Amanda at the Benchwork Bar and a book review from Jenny.

00:54 What are technicians?
08:03 Where can we find them?
16:31 Qualifications and such
17:22 Communicating with employers
25:55 Sexism rears its ugly head
29:50 Nurturing your patience
37:02 The perks
39:23 Review: ’Sidney Nolan – The Artists’ Materials’
42:45 Benchwork Bar: The Exhibit Opener
45:38 Comments, questions, corrections – and an addendum!

Show Notes:
– Art technicians as defined by CVAN: http://www.cvan.art/cc-skills-technician-gallery
– Find Erika Lewis here: https://www.instagram.com/thatslifesnoopy/
– Getting a forklift license: https://www.get-licensed.co.uk/licence/forklift-licence
– IPAF training: https://www.ipaf.org/en-gb/ipaf-training
– The PAL card: https://www.ipaf.org/en-gb/pal-card
– Art Tech Space: https://www.arttechspace.com/
– Sidney Nolan – The Artists’ Materials: https://shop.getty.edu/products/sidney-nolan-the-artist-s-materials-978-1606065945 or https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sidney-Nolan-Materials-Paul-Dredge/dp/1606065947
– Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll
– Conservation & Collections Care Technicians Diploma: https://www.vam.ac.uk/info/conservation-collections-care-technicians-diploma

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S07E03: For Science!

Grab your lab coats and don your goggles: we’re taking a closer look at analysis and its role in conservation! Between us we compare notes on heritage science and reflect on some of our experiences. We talk to Sophie Rowe about curiosity and funny smells, Dr Paola Ricciardi about non-invasive techniques, and Rob McLeod about everything from how to talk about science to cool equipment. Don’t forget to join Amanda at the Benchwork Bar for a Ray Gun cocktail (or mocktail) on your way out!

00:00:30 News in brief
00:03:45 Our forays into analysis
00:22:09 Interview with Sophie Rowe
00:37:40 We clearly need a low cost hub for analysis
00:39:46 Interview with Dr Paola Ricciardi
01:01:14 CT scanning adventures
01:03:35 How much?!
01:06:57 How useful is the work of scientists to conservators?
01:14:42 Interview with Rob McLeod
01:26:56 Benchwork Bar: The Ray Gun
01:29:32 Questions, comments, corrections: article attribution

Show Notes:
– Icon Emerging Professionals Network’s Call for Projects: https://icon.org.uk/groups/emerging-professionals-network/news-events-and-resources
– Material Characterization Tests for Objects of Art and Archaeology: https://archetype.co.uk/our-titles/material-characterization-tests/?id=217
– Using UV Light in Conservation: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Blog/Blog-Posts/Using-UV-light-in-conservation
– Raman spectroscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raman_spectroscopy
– Fourier-transform infrared spectroscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier-transform_infrared_spectroscopy
– Scanning electron microscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanning_electron_microscope
– X-radiography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiography_of_cultural_objects
– Digital microscopy: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Blog/Blog-Posts/Digital-Microscopes-in-Conservation
– Heritage Smells: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/heritage/research/projects/project-archive/heritage-smells
– Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography%E2%80%93mass_spectrometry
– Miniare project: http://www.miniare.org/
– Multispectral imaging: https://chsopensource.org/multispectral-imaging-system/
– X-ray fluorescence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_fluorescence
– Reflectance difference spectroscopy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflectance_difference_spectroscopy
– Digitization without Disruption (webinar with Dr David Mills): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQxkyagkg8k&feature=emb_title
– Thin-Layer Chromatography for Binding Media Analysis: https://www.getty.edu/publications/virtuallibrary/0892363908.html
– Polarizing Microscopy: https://chsopensource.org/microscopy-for-art-examination-polarizing-microscopy/
– Natural History Museum science department: https://www.nhm.ac.uk/our-science.html
– Conservation Cocktails by Amanda Richards: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/arichards123/conservation-cocktails/
– ‘Novel ways of communicating museum pest monitoring data: practical implementation’ by Christian Baars and Jane Henderson: http://orca.cf.ac.uk/129741/
– ‘Standardizing and communicating IPM data’ by Jane Henderson, Christian Baars, and Sally Elizabeth Hopkins: http://orca.cf.ac.uk/129738/

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S07E02: Frightful Beasts and Where to Find Them

We sneak a peek in the blunder traps with special guest host Jane Thompson-Webb as we explore the topic of insect pests in and around collections and the sticky world of integrated pest management (IPM). Tune in for some fantastic listener contributions about pest encounters, an interview about the Emergency Conservators Network, and a new feature — the Benchwork Bar!

00:01:41 What are our dealings with insect pests?
00:10:30 What do you do with the data, anyway?
00:20:58 Horror stories (aka Jenny’s therapy session)
00:26:59 Contributions from listeners
00:41:07 To squish or not to squish?
00:44:25 What’s the strangest thing you’ve ever found in a trap?
00:45:46 Treatment options
00:53:36 More resources
01:04:13 Interview with Abigail Bainbridge
01:10:00 Benchwork Bar: The Carpet Beetle

Show Notes:
– What’s Eating Your Collection: http://www.whatseatingyourcollection.com/
– English Heritage pest ID poster: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/siteassets/home/learn/conservation/science/serpentine/insect-pests-historic-houses-poster.pdf
– Accompanying pest monitoring tools from English Heritage: https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/learn/conservation/collections-advice-and-guidance/
– ‘Trends in effective communication of integrated pest management data’ by Jane Henderson, Christian Baars, and Sally Elizabeth Hopkins: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319625017_Trends_in_effective_communication_of_integrated_pest_management_data
– ‘Novel ways of communicating museum pest monitoring data: practical implementation’ by Christian Baars and Jane Henderson: http://orca.cf.ac.uk/129741/
– ‘Standardizing and communicating IPM data’ by Jane Henderson, Christian Baars, and Sally Elizabeth Hopkins: http://orca.cf.ac.uk/129738/
– Food episode: https://thecword.show/2017/11/29/s02e08-food/
– Kloe’s pro tip litter pickers: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=litter+picker&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
– Museum Pests: https://museumpests.net/
– Conference procedures from IPM for Cultural Heritage 2019: https://www.raa.se/samhallsutveckling/riskhantering-och-katastrofberedskap/amnesomraden/skadedjur-och-mogel/integrated-pest-management-for-cultural-heritage-ipm-2019/
– Pests in Houses Great and Small: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pests-Houses-Great-Small-Identification/dp/1910907243
– Help the Emergency Conservators Network stitch for the NHS: https://icon.org.uk/news/icon-member-and-bpg-chair-abigail-bainbridge-acr-stitching-for-the-nhs
– Emergency Design Network fundraising page: https://www.gofundme.com/f/emergency-designer-network
– Go follow Amanda Richards for more conservation cocktails: https://twitter.com/ConserveItAll

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S07E01: Working From Home

Join us for a WFH special as we consider the joys and challenges of working remotely: with Kloe furloughed and Jenny working from home it’s a strange time to be a conservator. We also ask West Dean College and Cardiff University about switching to remote teaching and what this means for students. Finally, tune in for a Dear Jane about hobby conservation and some armchair travel as Jenny takes us to Herculaneum for a book review!

00:02:44 News in very, very brief
00:04:41 What’s our situation?
00:19:25 So what can conservators do from home?
00:25:16 WFH tips and Dress Up Fridays
00:37:48 What are the universities doing?
00:58:41 Review: ’Herculaneum and the House of the Bicentenary – History and Heritage’
01:03:15 Dear Jane

Show Notes:
– Van Gogh painting stolen from Dutch museum: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/mar/30/van-gogh-painting-stolen-from-dutch-museum
– Furlough definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlough
– How to make the most of online meetings: https://icon.org.uk/news/icons-top-tips-for-remote-meetings
– 15 Ideas for Conservators at Home: https://icon.org.uk/news/icon-trustee-pierrette-squires-acr-15-ideas-for-conservators-at-home
– News in Conservation article on portfolios: https://www.iiconservation.org/content/news-conservation-issue-77-april-may-2020
– Museum & Heritage Workers (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/IMWD2030
– Dr. Mariana Di Giacomo (Twitter): https://twitter.com/MarianaDGiacomo
– Herculaneum and the House of the Bicentenary – History and Heritage: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Herculaneum-House-Bicentenary-Heritage-Conservation/dp/1606066285

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Bonus Episode: The Pandemic Special

Pandemic Special: Jenny and Kloe have a chat about the impact of the Coronavirus on the heritage sector but also share some sunshine stories from across the world. Escape to Brussels with Kloe as she fetches a museum object that’s been on display (and spots inaccurate PPE usage on her pre-pandemic journey), and tune in for a quick book review with Jenny. Stay safe, folks!

04:41 Impact on the heritage sector
18:05 Perspective shifts
23:39 Bewildering PPE use
26:35 Museum donations and Jenny’s guilt
28:21 Bits of sunshine
31:28 Kloe’s courier trip to Brussels
39:40 Review: The Care and Keeping of Museum Professionals
42:00 Thanks to our transcription volunteers!

Show Notes
– Conservators donate PPE to hospitals: https://icon.org.uk/news/icon-member-and-bpg-chair-abigail-bainbridge-conservators-and-their-institutions-donate-ppe-to
– Arts Council England emergency funding: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/arts-council-england-promises-160m-to-buoy-public-during-lockdown
– Germany’s culture funding package: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/german-bailout-50-billion-1815396
– Culture in Quarantine: https://www.standard.co.uk/go/london/arts/bbc-culture-in-quarantine-margaret-atwood-a4398226.html
– #MuseumFromHome on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MuseumFromHome&src=typed_query
– #ConservatorsAtHome on Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ConservatorsAtHome&src=typed_query
– Icon Book & Paper Group webinars: https://icon.org.uk/groups/book-paper/conservation-together-at-home-webinar-series
– Icon Covid-19 Guidance: https://icon.org.uk/icon-resources/covid-19-guidance
– AIC Collections Care Amid Covid-19 Guidance: https://www.culturalheritage.org/resources/emergencies/collections-care-amid-covid-19
– Coronavirus update from The National Archives: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archives-sector/our-archives-sector-role/coronavirus-update/
– Our wellbeing episode: https://thecword.show/2018/05/02/s03e04-looking-after-your-conservator/
– The Care and Keeping of Museum Professionals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Care-Keeping-Museum-Professionals-ebook/dp/B07QN7Q958/

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S06E08: Christmas Special

Ho ho ho! Join us for a seasonal special: we review our predictions for 2019 and make some new ones for 2020, listen to a conservation version of Santa Baby, and play a parlour game we only just barely manage! Also tune in for some cracker action, a Christmas message from the Career in Ruins podcast, and an unexpected foray into wizardry as we consider the conservation Hogwarts houses.

00:00:36 Are we the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present and Future?
00:01:28 Predictions for the year gone by – and the one to come!
00:13:53 What would go in a conservation Christmas tree?
00:17:05 Parlour game of the year – The Object on My Workbench Is…
00:32:27 Opening gifts from Christina
00:34:28 Opening our Christmas crackers
00:38:25 Review of Evolon cracker goodies
00:48:23 Christmas greetings from Career in Ruins
00:53:39 The Hogwarts Conservation Houses
01:00:55 Hurry Down the Chimney Tonight

Show Notes:
– Christina’s publishing course in February 2020: https://icon.org.uk/events/publishing-in-conservation-0
– Repatriation story from Manchester: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/20/manchester-museum-returns-stolen-sacred-artefacts-to-australians
– Repatriation story from Cambridge: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-50578780
– Flooding in north England: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_England_floods
– Fires in Australia and USA: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/22/australia-bushfires-factcheck-are-this-years-fires-unprecedented and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_California_wildfires
– Thefts from German museums: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/days-after-brazen-green-vault-heist-another-german-museum-targeted-thieves-180973698/
– Zabbaleen cards: https://zabbaleenproducts.com/
– James Baillie, our resident joke writer: https://twitter.com/JubalBarca
– Conservation by Design: http://www.cxdinternational.com/
– Conservation Resources: https://conservation-resources.co.uk/
– Career in Ruins podcast: https://careerinruins.com/
– Wizarding World (Pottermore): https://www.wizardingworld.com/
– Another Hogwarts Houses type quiz: https://wizardmore.com/sorting-hat-x/
– Follow our singer Desislava Zlateva: https://www.youtube.com/user/DesislavaZlateva/videos and https://www.instagram.com/desislavazlateva/

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Hurry Down the Chimney Tonight (text by Kloe Rumsey, Benjamin Fox, and Jenny Mathiasson; vocals by Desislava Zlateva)

Funding bodies, slip a table under the tree for me
Been working so hard
Funding bodies, so hurry down the chimney tonight
Funding bodies, Paraloid B72, as well
I’ll wait up for you all
Funding bodies, so hurry down the chimney tonight
Think of all the things I’ve fixed
Think of all those pastes that I have mixed
Next year I’ll be just as good
If you check off my Christmas list
Funding bodies, I want some CPD and that’s not a lot
Been so patient all year
Funding bodies, please hurry down the chimney tonight

Budget holders, one little thing I really need, some books
To inform me all year
Budget holders, so hurry down the chimney tonight
Budget holders, fill my stocking with an AmEx and cheques
Let’s get permission to spend
Budget holders, hurry down the chimney tonight
Come and stock my lab for me
With some paper stocks that are acid free
I really do believe you could
Keep us going if you would
Budget holders, forgot to mention one little thing, packing
Crates for all those loans
Budget holders, so hurry down the chimney tonight
Hurry down the chimney tonight
Hurry… Tonight

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S06E07: Side Hustle

We take a look at some of the many ways in which conservators earn money on the side (and the reasons we might do so): Kloe talks about her bellydancing, Jenny shares her experiences of temping and gig economy freelancing, and Christina shares some career wisdom. Also tune in for some brilliant listener contributions, and a Dear Jane about taking a job that isn’t perfect.

00:01:16 News in brief
00:06:09 What do we mean by side hustle?
00:12:35 Stories from listeners
00:22:15 Owning your side hustle
00:33:58 Message from Christina
00:51:30 More listener stories
00:53:05 Dear Jane

Show Notes:
– Culture in Crisis: https://cultureincrisis.org/
– #IconTC 2019 breaks new records: https://icon.org.uk/news/icontc-2019-breaks-new-records
– New Museum School trainees graduate: https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/04122019-New-Museum-School-celebrates-second-year-of-trainees
– Rare Charlotte Bronte book coming home: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50458343
– Geffrye to reopen as Museum of the Home after £18m overhaul: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/nov/27/geffrye-to-reopen-as-museum-of-the-home-after-18m-overhaul
– Louvre begins to migrate 250,000 artworks to archives at new conservation centre: https://advisor.museumsandheritage.com/news/louvre-begins-to-migrate-250000-artworks-to-archives-at-new-conservation-centre/
– Definition of side hustle: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/side-hustle
– Common examples of side hustles: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/293954
– Tax-free allowances on property and trading income: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tax-free-allowances-on-property-and-trading-income
– A friendlier version of the information above: https://www.taxadvisermagazine.com/article/little-boost

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S06E06: Knowing Not To

We’re getting philosophical as we try to figure out when conservators choose NOT to do something. What influences our decisions? When can we say no? Also tune in for an interview with Jonathan Ashley-Smith about uncertainty and ethics, and a Dear Jane about internships.

00:00:40 What are some of the reasons we don’t do something?
00:20:27 Good intentions and self-belief
00:27:30 Interview with Jonathan Ashley-Smith
00:56:27 Do ethics guide or get in the way?
01:07:06 What makes something a priority?
01:11:41 Palliative care for objects
01:14:08 Dear Jane
01:18:04 Patreon shout out

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