The C Word

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Buckle up as we go on a ride exploring the topic of couriering and the art of escorting an object on loan: from low-glam trips to prestigious treks across the globe! What’s involved? Who gets to go? What if something goes wrong? Kloe documents her first courier trip to Brussels and Christina shares her various conservation adventures. Also tune in for a Dear Jane that unexpectedly turns into Dear Fletcher!

00:00:22 Announcement: #Icon19 meet-up!
00:00:56 What do we mean by couriering?
00:03:31 Our experiences of couriering
00:11:41 Who pays for loans, anyway?
00:15:40 Lending pressures and object fatigue
00:22:23 Kloe’s courier trip to Brussels
00:41:48 When things don’t go to plan
01:01:03 Modes of transport and financial compensation
01:06:22 The perks of the job (and some drawbacks)
01:11:02 Listener stories
01:13:36 Dear Jane
01:18:02 Patreon shout-out
01:19:10 Questions, comments, corrections: digitization and acknowledgements

Show Notes:
– Making Collections Effective (2007): https://www.museumsassociation.org/download?id=14112
– ‘The mummy of all Tutankhamun shows will land in London’ via The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/21/largest-ever-tutankhamun-display-coming-to-london
– House of European History: https://historia-europa.ep.eu/en
– Restless Youth exhibition at HEH: https://historia-europa.ep.eu/en/restless-youth
– Fashion & Lace Museum: http://www.fashionandlacemuseum.brussels/en
– BELvue (Museum of Democracy): https://belvue.be/en
– NatSCA blog ‘Neither a Borrower Nor a Lender Be?’ by Paolo Viscardi: https://natsca.blog/2017/02/28/neither-a-borrower-nor-a-lender-be/
– ‘Server crash takes out rich digital archive at Memorial University’: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/mun-digital-archives-wiped-out-1.4787960
– ‘A visit to the CBC archives, on the eve of destruction’: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/article-15-million-digitization-project-for-cbc-archives-upsets-some-critics/
– ‘CBC says it will carry on with destruction of broadcast archives once digitized’: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/cbc-says-it-will-carry-on-with-destruction-of-broadcast-archives-once-digitized

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We’re joined by guest host Johanna Sandström as we embark on an adventure with brown soggy stuff: from waterlogged wood and leather to mudlarking and replica toilet seats! We interview Mags Felter from York Archaeological Trust, Kim Roche from MSDS Marine, and Luisa Duarte from Museum of London. Also tune in for a review of ’Preserving Vasa’ and a Dear Jane about university admissions!

00:00:53 News in brief
00:05:34 Our experiences with wet stuff
00:14:56 Interview with Mags Felter
00:33:36 Sulphur is a real pain
00:37:37 Interview with Kim Roche
00:52:27 Interview with Luisa Duarte
01:07:20 Books in bogs
01:14:13 Textiles in ice cubes
01:15:06 Waterlogged rubber?!
01:17:16 Dear Jane
01:21:52 Review: ’Preserving Vasa’
01:26:52 Patreon shout-out

Show Notes:
– 14th ICOM-CC Wet Organic Archaeological Materials (WOAM) Working Group Conference: http://www.woam2019.org.uk
– Town hall debate now available as a bonus episode: http://thecword.show/2019/03/01/bonus-episode-diversity-discussion-panel/
– AIC re-branding: https://www.culturalheritage.org/
– The Nordic Museum: https://www.nordiskamuseet.se/en
– Vasamuseet: https://www.vasamuseet.se/en
– The Mary Rose: https://maryrose.org/
– The National Museum of Denmark: https://en.natmus.dk/museums-and-palaces/the-national-museum-of-denmark/
– York Archaeological Trust: https://www.yorkarchaeology.co.uk/
– London Mudlark: https://www.facebook.com/LondonMudlark/
– Rooswijk 1740 on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rooswijk1740
– MSDS Marine: https://msdsmarine.com/en/home/
– Protected wreck pilot programme: https://msdsmarine.com/en/nextpwageneration/
– Museum of London: https://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/museum-london
– 12th-century three-person loo seat goes on display: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/feb/13/helles-toilet-12th-century-three-person-loo-seat-goes-on-display
– ‘The methodology used for dewatering the vellum from the Faddan More Psalter’ from JAIC: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19455224.2012.744678?fbclid=IwAR3pvvoeLLoRbQuTuCW-ndsjGKzywOvJRtAaAQs7pG5wC6AjnddvUn31RqI&instName=University+of+Cambridge&journalCode=rcon20
– Preserving Vasa: https://archetype.co.uk/our-titles/preserving-vasa/?id=269

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This special bonus episode features a live recording from the discussion panel we took part of as part of ICON’s annual meeting in November 2018.

We were joined by conservators Nerys Rudder and Rebecca Plumbe and tackled the topic of conservation and diversity.

Attendees and people joining in via Twitter and Facebook could ask us questions while the panel was live.

The Facebook video feed of the ‘town hall debate’ can still be accessed here: https://www.facebook.com/ConservatorsUK/videos/288612665104767/

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Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey, Christina Rozeik, Nerys Rudder, and Rebecca Plumbe.

Special thanks to ICON!

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Ho ho ho! We review our predictions for 2018 and make some new ones for 2019, listen to a museum version of The Night Before Christmas, and play a parlour game! Also tune in for this year’s version of 12 Days of Christmas with St Edmund’s Choir, plus a seasonal Dear Jane!

02:34 Museum advent calendars
06:57 Our predictions for 2018 from last year
13:56 Our new predictions for 2019
21:02 The Curator’s 12 Days of Christmas
25:22 Let’s play twenty— oh, TEN questions!
48:50 The Night Before Christmas
50:43 Dear Jane
52:38 Need a Christmas gift?
53:25 Patreon shout-out

Show Notes:
– Examples of suffragette exhibitions in the UK during 2018: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/jan/31/centenary-votes-for-women-anniversary-events-parades-exhibitions-suffragette-pankhurst
– Spanish ‘restorations’ make headlines again: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/botched-st-george-restoration-spain-1309535
– St Edmund’s Choir: http://www.stedmundschoir.com
– Alphonsine bulldog magnet: https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/667943519/bulldog-magnet-design-collection-first
– Conservator Secret Santa Pinterest board: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/thecwordpodcast/conservator-secret-santa/
– Conservator Gift Ideas Pinterest board: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/thecwordpodcast/conservator-gift-ideas/

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Carol text for The Twelve Days of a Conservator’s Christmas (written by Kloe Rumsey, Christina Rozeik, Tom Sutch, and Jenny Mathiasson):

1 a tube of B72
2 purple gloves
3 fresh finds
4 crawling furs
5 old rings
6 hats a-fraying
7 pots for packing
8 books for binding
9 rugs unravelling
10 jars a-seeping
11 paintings peeling
12 coins corroding

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The Night Before Christmas (text by Jenny Mathiasson, Benjamin Fox, and Kloe Rumsey)

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through this place
Not a creature was stirring, not a thing in its case.
Festive stock was arranged in the gift shop with care,
In hopes that the visitors soon would be there.

The objects were nestled snug in their crates,
From hand axe and flint to sculptures and plates.
Curators had gone and conservators too,
Alone was security who was making a brew.

When up on the roof there arose such a clatter,
The guard sprang from the kettle to see to the matter.
Were seasonal thieves stealing the lead?
For atop the building had parked a big sled!

From it emerged someone rotund and thick,
The guard knew in a moment it must be St Nick!
He squeezed down the chimney and soon re-emerged,
Covered in cobwebs and other filth he’d disturbed!

Snow on his boots sent the humidity soaring,
The environment would certainly need some restoring.
On his way from the mantle he’d stepped on a trap,
Leaving a boot print which would definitely puzzle the lab.

He consulted the map, passing toilets and stairs,
Past cases of rocks, odd primates, and wares.
Scanning around, there was no scent of pine,
Barely a hint of tinsel, nor a whiff of mulled wine!

’Til he encountered the tree, the jewel of the hall,
Where he unloaded his sack, producing gifts big and small.
Books, walkie-talkies, and tools ergonomic,
Brushes, adhesives – even detergent (non-ionic).

But where was his treat, to sustain on the way?
No food in the gallery, he took to the café.
A mini of sherry swiped from the supply,
Some gingerbread biscuits and a cheeky mince pie!

Spotting the guard, nearing the end of his shift,
He brought forth a flask – a personal gift!
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose!

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
He was heard to exclaim as he drove out of sight:
“Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!”

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!! SPOILERS !!

Museums from 10 Questions game:
– Pitt Rivers Museum: https://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/
– V&A Dundee: https://www.vam.ac.uk/dundee
– Vindolanda Museum: http://www.vindolanda.com/roman-vindolanda/vindolanda-museum
– The Pencil Museum: https://www.derwentart.com/en-gb/c/about/company/derwent-pencil-museum
– The Museum of Witchcraft and Magic: https://museumofwitchcraftandmagic.co.uk/
– The Gordon Museum of Pathology: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/gordon/index.aspx

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Come have an auditory look into our tool stashes! We talk conservation tools of all kinds: from bone folders and scalpel blades to the more hardcore variety! We discuss listener tweets about tools and Christina interviews a whole bunch of conservators about their tool kits.

00:00:27 News in brief
00:03:34 What’s in our tool kits?
00:18:28 What are our favourite tools?
00:22:59 Responses from Twitter
00:40:23 Are expensive tools a barrier to entry?
00:47:06 Inspiration outside the field
00:49:09 Listener contributions
00:53:09 Christina interviews conservators about their tools
01:15:26 What do we love about Japanese tissue?
01:20:20 Patreon shout-out!

Show Notes:
– Icon AGM Town Hall debate archived livestream: https://www.facebook.com/ConservatorsUK/videos/288612665104767/
– Call for Papers from SHCG: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1811&L=SHCG-LIST&F=&S=&P=13060
– Grants and bursaries from #Icon19: https://icon.org.uk/events/icon-conference-2019/programme/grants-and-bursaries
– The Conservator’s Tool Kit with Richard Hawkes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA1homMneYE
– Brushes Galore Pinterest board: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/thecwordpodcast/brushes-galore/
– /r/specializedtools: https://www.reddit.com/r/specializedtools/
– Adam Savage’s cheap tool kit list: https://www.tested.com/art/makers/454389-still-untitled-supplemental-adams-inexpensive-beginners-toolkit/
– Adam Savage talks tools: https://www.tested.com/art/makers/454310-inexpensive-beginners-toolkit/

Various bits we mentioned from our kits:
– Inherent Vice Squad: https://www.inherentvicesquad.com/
– Fine curved needles from Restore Products: https://restore-products.co.uk/collections/repair/products/fine-curved-needles
– Tiranti spatulas: https://tiranti.co.uk/product-category/modelling-tools/metal-plaster-modelling-tools/stainless-steel-spatulas/
– Photo scales for archaeologists (and conservators!): http://www.aerial-cam.co.uk/scales.html
– Water brushes: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Equipment-Tools/Brushes/Other-Brushes/Water-Brush
– Snake weights: https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Equipment-Tools/Weights/Snake-Weights
– IKEA Råskog trolley: https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/kitchen-products/kitchen-islands-trolleys/r%C3%A5skog-trolley-white-art-20382932/

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Join us for a risqué episode about smutty collections! We talk about sexual museum objects, attitudes to pornography and art, bedroom fashion, and erotic museums! (Contains 20% more giggling than usual. May cause blushing in some listeners.) Also tune in for a review of ‘On Sexuality’ and a Dear Jane about imposter syndrome.

00:24 Can collections be a bit naughty? (Spoilers: yes)
03:15 Our experiences of working on ‘smutty’ objects
09:15 What’s smutty in collections anyway?
16:32 Dedicated erotic museums around the world
22:58 How do we archive porn and why is it important?
30:45 Jenny has some weird exhibition ideas
33:38 The endangered ephemera of saucy magazines
35:17 Representation of LGBTQ+ relationships
38:37 Deterioration of modern materials
44:00 Review: ‘On Sexuality’
47:48 Dear Jane
54:11 Catching up after the Museums Association conference

Show Notes:
– Paul Rumsey’s art: https://www.facebook.com/ArtistPaulRumsey/
– Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology’s Roman penis pot: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/roman-soldiers-drank-out-of-this-penis-pot-for-kicks_us_570bd937e4b0836057a1c6bc
– ‘Penises and Caustic Soda’ article: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2010/jan/27/art-archaeology
– The Secrets of Cupboard 55: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4717695/The-secrets-of-Cupboard-55.html
– British Museum’s Shunga exhibition in 2013/2014: https://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on/exhibitions/shunga.aspx
– List of sex museums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sex_museums
– Musée de l’érotisme: https://web.archive.org/web/20120803081949/http://www.musee-erotisme.com/en
– The Temple of Venus: http://www.sexmuseumamsterdam.nl
– Playboy Archive: https://www.playboy.com/products/every-issue-ever-the-official-playboy-archive
– The University Library Uncovered – the Truth About the Tower: https://www.alumni.cam.ac.uk/news/the-university-library-uncovered-the-truth-about-the-tower
– Secrets of Cambridge ‘Porn’ Library Revealed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578614/Secrets-of-Cambridge-porn-library-revealed.html
– British Museum exhibition reveals saucy side of the ancient world: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/may/12/arts.artsnews
– Museum Pride London: https://twitter.com/museumprideldn
– The Attendant film: https://www.isaacjulien.com/projects/the-attendant/ and http://www.ttv-i.net/?p=1696
– On Sexuality – Collecting Everybody’s Experience: https://museumsetc.com/products/on-sexuality?variant=1260652100
– Festival of Change 2018: https://www.museumsassociation.org/news/08082018-festival-of-change-belfast-2018
– The Vagina Museum: https://www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/

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We’re joined by Natalie Jones as we talk about natural history in all its forms: from taxidermy to fluid specimens! Jenny also talks to Lucie Mascord about becoming a natural history conservator, and Kloe talks to David Gelsthorpe about outreach and audiences for these collections. Also tune in for a ‘Dear Jane’ about unknown specimens and a review of ‘Dyes from Nature’ by Kloe!

00:00:53 News in brief
00:03:23 How do you become a natural history conservator anyway?
00:08:09 Are museums falling back in love with taxidermy?
00:13:08 Definition and range of natural history collections
00:15:54 Working with icky or scary things
00:23:18 Fixing fur with felting
00:28:55 Interview with Lucie Mascord
00:42:49 Terminology and the value of crib sheets
00:46:19 Interview with David Gelsthorpe
01:04:34 Our audiences
01:06:21 Review: ‘Dyes from Nature’
01:11:23 Dear Jane
01:15:11 Patreon shout-out
01:15:50 Questions, comments, corrections: our poll on being parents in conservation

Show Notes:
– New Chief Executive for ICON: https://icon.org.uk/news/new-chief-executive-for-icon
– ICON launches Emerging Professionals Network: https://icon.org.uk/groups/emerging-professionals-network/about-the-epn
– #Icon19 Call for Papers Sets New Record: https://icon.org.uk/news/icon19-call-for-papers-sets-new-record
– ICON’s AGM and Town Hall Debate: https://icon.org.uk/events/icon-agm-0
– NatSCA: http://natsca.org/
– Types of natural history collections: http://natsca.org/types-of-collections
– NMAI blog about fur felting: https://blog.nmai.si.edu/main/2012/04/conservation-challenge-faux-fur.html
– Natalie’s Twitter paper about needle felting fur: https://twitter.com/nautilusnat/status/916234076486623232
– 7 Million Wonders: https://museumdevelopmentnorthwest.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/7_million_wonders.pdf
– Unexpected Encounters: https://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/museumstudies/rcmg/publications/UnexpectedEncounters.pdf
– Dyes from Nature: https://www.archetype.co.uk/publication-details.php?id=248 or https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dyes-Nature-Riikka-Raisanen/dp/1909492469

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We’re joined by guest host Vicky Singleton and have a chat about the world of military collections: what’s in them, how we feel about them, and what we do with them. Also tune in for an interview with Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons about researching and filming in museums.

00:40 Our experiences
06:42 Types of military museums in the UK
09:16 Jargon and language use
13:48 Working with veterans
16:08 Collecting, conserving, and ethics
27:23 Oversized objects
33:01 Funding landscape
35:06 Donations typically coming in
40:15 Amazing things we’ve seen
45:07 Interview with Ian McCollum

Show Notes:
– National Army Museum: https://www.nam.ac.uk/
– AMOT (Army Museums Ogilby Trust): https://www.armymuseums.org.uk/
– Fleet Air Arm Museum: https://www.fleetairarm.com/
– Te Papa’s “Gallipoli – The Scale of Our War” exhibition: http://gallipoli.tepapa.govt.nz/
– Omaka Heritage Aviation Centre: http://www.omaka.org.nz/
– Forgotten Weapons: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ and https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons

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We uncover the mysteries of costume mounting: from the magic of Fosshape to whittling down mannequins to size! Tune in for an interview with Lara Flecker about mounting and displaying fashion in museums. Kloe reviews ‘The Care and Display of Historic Clothing’ AND the Frida Kahlo: Making Her Self Up exhibition at the V&A. Our agony aunt Jane also answers a question about hourly rates.

00:00:26 News in brief
00:01:16 Our experiences of mounting costume
00:07:59 Mannequins: the good, the bad, and the ugly
00:10:24 How do we display partial costume?
00:15:51 Altering mannequins
00:19:14 What can ‘costume’ mean?
00:23:07 The usefulness of magnets
00:29:51 How important is the choice of mannequin for how people perceive the object?
00:31:11 Do mannequins have ethnicity?
00:36:49 Fashion and weddings – but where are the everyday dress exhibitions?
00:42:11 Useful resources and recommendations
00:46:13 Interview with Lara Flecker
00:58:07 Dear Jane
01:02:19 Review: ‘The Care and Display of Historic Clothing’
01:07:38 Bonus review: ‘Frida Kahlo: Making Her Self Up’ exhibition
01:12:09 Patreon shout-out!

Show Notes:
– Collections 2030 consultation: https://www.museumsassociation.org/collections/09052018-collections-2030
– Oceania exhibition: https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/exhibition/oceania
– Frida Kahlo – Making Her Self Up exhibition: https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/frida-kahlo-making-her-self-up
– Making the Frida Kahlo mannequins: https://www.vam.ac.uk/articles/making-the-frida-kahlo-mannequins
– Much Ado About Mannequins (webinar): https://www.connectingtocollections.org/much-ado-about-mannequins-making-the-perfect-form/
– Mounting Garments (webinar): https://www.connectingtocollections.org/mountinggarments/
– A Practical Guide to Costume Mounting by Lara Flecker: https://amzn.to/2J0qptI
– Proportion London: https://www.proportionlondon.com/
– Fosshape from PEL (UK): https://www.preservationequipment.com/Catalogue/Display-Products/Display-Supports/Fosshape-Heat-Activated-Fabric
– Dressing Museum Mannequins via Atlas Obscura: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/dressing-museum-mannequins
– CCI Notes 13/5 Hanging Storage for Costumes: https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/conservation-preservation-publications/canadian-conservation-institute-notes/hanging-storage-costumes.html
– Unravel Fashion Podcast: https://www.unravelpodcast.com
– The Care and Display of Historic Clothing: https://amzn.to/2Oph2tm

Recommended Listening from Unravel:
– Episode 25: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2017/6/26/making-mainbocher-interview-with-petra-slinkard?rq=25
– Episode 28: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2017/8/27/28-fashioning-the-women-of-weeksville-a-conversation-with-noel-corbin-natalya-mills-and-kristine-mcpartlin?rq=28
– Episode 31: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2017/10/15/31-burial-cap-of-a-african-american-woman-interview-with-jenna-kuttruff?rq=31
– Episode 37: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2017/12/27/37-the-biggest-little-fashion-city-interview-with-denise-green?rq=37
– Episode 49: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2018/4/1/49-queer-fashion-style-stories-from-an-exhibition?rq=49
– Episode 56: https://www.unravelpodcast.com/episodes-1/2018/5/28/56-sht-ton-of-gold-heavenly-bodies-golden-kingdoms-roundtable?rq=56

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Today we’re breaking an imagined taboo and talking about parenthood and having (or not having) children as conservators. We talk about flexibility at work, fertility problems, unexpected anxiety, and if The Right Time actually exists. Tune in for an interview with Karen Horton about being deliberately childfree and listen to Sophie Rowe and Christina having a chat about being working mothers. We also get to hear what Christina’s kids think she does at work!

00:00:23 Why talk parenthood?
00:02:41 Our experiences and thoughts around motherhood
00:08:23 How maternity pay works in the UK
00:11:47 How life changes after having children
00:16:53 Job security and feeling like you’re pulling your weight
00:24:56 How many conservators actually have children?
00:32:10 How maternity and shared parental leave works in the UK
00:35:42 Interview with Karen Horton
00:43:01 Choosing not to have kids
00:47:18 Interview with Harriet (5) and Alexander (7)
00:58:25 Health and safety and the joy of risk assessments
01:02:55 Why we need more flexibility at work
01:03:53 Interview with Sophie Rowe
01:32:40 Listener stories
01:42:20 Patreon shout-out
01:43:25 Comments, questions, and corrections

Show Notes:
– Maternity leave and pay in the UK: https://www.gov.uk/maternity-pay-leave
– Proportion of mums in work ‘up 50% since mid-1970s’: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43919090
– Families and the Labour Market (England 2017): https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/familiesandthelabourmarketengland/2017
– Our Twitter poll about parents in conservation: https://twitter.com/thecwordpodcast/status/970347941541089280
– Reproducing Conservators – Health and Safety for Preconception, Pregnancy, and Beyond: http://www.conservation-us.org/docs/default-source/periodicals/2012sept-aicnews.pdf?sfvrsn=6
– Maternity allowance for the self-employed in the UK: https://www.gov.uk/maternity-allowance

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Hosted by Jenny Mathiasson, Kloe Rumsey and Christina Rozeik.

Intro and outro music by DDmyzik used under a Creative Commons Attribution license. Additional sound effects and music by Calum Robertson.

Made available under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International license.

A Wooden Dice production, 2018.